Artist Talk with Al Diaz, Kate Storch, and Amelia Alberti (Part 3)

By Maryam Akhundova / August 1, 2024

In this Artist Talk for the Trops, Amelia Alberti discusses the art world, anecdotes, and how Patti Astor influenced Hiphop culture and its current vanguard through the lens of Al Diaz and Kate Storch.

Person in the audience: “I’d love to hear about your experience growing up in this neighborhood and all the cultures because, you know, you had immigrants who were Ukrainians, Poles, Puerto Ricans, etc. I would love to hear about the community that Patti operated in that allowed you guys to come together.”

Al Diaz: “When I grew up here it was a little prior to Patti's, since hers was in the '80s mostly, and I grew up here in the '60s and '70s. I mean, my neighborhood, it was like the kind of place you're supposed to move out of. People got thrown off rooftops and s*** like that. All the kids I grew up with are gone, None of them are alive basically, and it was kind of as though you were still stuck on the ave as we call it. That was your world. However, I was lucky enough to have some kind of precocious sensibility, and the whole city was my backyard, you know. In high school, I would just explore, since you don't want to stay in the projects because that's very limiting. Everybody I know that stayed in the projects are gone, you know, and they were my friends, I grew up with them. By the '80s, the neighborhood and a lot of buildings were burnt out. I mean, you could get an apartment for $65 a month, so that invited a whole generation of people from other places. Patti was from Ohio, and a lot of other people that came into New York that culturally changed and uplifted New York were from other places. My mother finally moved us to Brooklyn when I was 15 'cause, I mean, we were stepping over bodies. At some point it got very serious. There was a dude, an old dude, that OD’ed in front of my door, and I remember my mother was putting ice down his pants. She saved him. But that was every other day, you know? For instance, I heard one of my neighbors kill her husband, "bang bang", with three shots. I was five years old when that happened in the hallway, and I didn't see it, I heard it. Anyway, that was what the Lower East Side was like. That s*** was rough. It was not like any other; it was like the South Bronx. But in the 80s was when it reached its peak, everything was burnt, a lot of blocks were empty. 8th Street and 9th Street were empty, it looked like Hiroshima. People started moving in and It wasn't the Gentry yet, this was the artist people trying to do stuff, and then more people came and more people came, and since we're like pack animals - we like to do and be with other people that are doing the same thing. So, of course, when you make an area cool, guess who follows you?"

Amelia Alberti: “Rich people?”


Yebaga Gebata event at FSG Park celebrating the Summer Solstice with the Trops

Al Diaz: “The developers. And they're going to buy buildings, and they're going to make it cool to be there, they're going to use that and chase your ass out of there. Then, of course, drag up the rents, bringing a whole influx of other people, and that's what happened here and every other f****** neighborhood not only in New York City but on planet Earth because you go to Barcelona, same s*** you go to f****** Toronto, same s***. It's so...”

Kate Storch: “I just want to say two things real fast. One beautiful thing about hip hop music is that we know some of the best hip hop songs came from a rock song, or came from a country song, you know, because of the way some of the producers have used sampling. But really, the beautiful thing about hip-hop culture is that it does take something and show something else you can do with it. So, I think it's fitting that there are different musical genres different graffiti artists listen to, it's like a testament to how all-inclusive hip hop actually is. That is a beautiful thing about the neighborhood now; it's practically one of the last neighborhoods in New York that really feels like New York. I have friends over there and I love going over there. One of my favorite places to go is 151. Just to be in that neighborhood and feel that feeling I felt growing up here. So it's crazy that now anyone who lives there is just so lucky to live there.”



Al Diaz

Al Diaz is an American artist and writer best known for his collaboration with Jean-Michel Basquiat on the SAMO graffiti project in the late 1970s. The duo created cryptic graffiti messages throughout Lower Manhattan, which played a significant role in the emergence of street art and the downtown New York art scene. Diaz continues to be active in the art world, working on various projects that maintain his roots in graffiti and urban culture.

@albert_diaz1

Photo Courtesy of Al Diaz


Kate Storch via Instagram

Kate Storch

Founder and curator of the “Landmark” series, celebrating hiphop culture in NYC. In a city that offers countless cultural events and activities, Landmark, curated by Kate Storch, cuts through the noise. Her third and biggest Landmark event just culminated in early spring 2024 and with her sharp observing eye, strong instinct, and love for hip-hop, she plans to elevate the Landmark series with each event. Kate curated a memorial show for Patti Astor in the Lower East Side at First Street Green Art Park.

@kate_NYC_

@fsgpark

Patti Astor

Patti Astor is an American actress, writer, and gallery owner known for her role in the early 1980s New York City art scene. She co-founded the influential Fun Gallery in 1981, which showcased works by graffiti artists like Jean-Michel Basquiat, Keith Haring, and Kenny Scharf. The gallery was pivotal in bridging the gap between street art and the mainstream art world. Astor's background in the underground film scene also contributed to her unique perspective on the art community.

@pattiastor


Patti Astor with Keith Haring and LA 2’s The Smurfs at the FUN Gallery in February 1983. Photo by Eric Kroll

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